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Being LGBT Is Not A Sin, Condemning Them Is by Rogue-Ranger Being LGBT Is Not A Sin, Condemning Them Is by Rogue-Ranger
A surprising number of Christians believe that being LGBT is a sin.

But sin is an action, not a person. For example, if I were to suddenly punch you in the face, that would be a sin, but neither my fist nor your face would be a sin. Similarly, planning in my brain to commit a crime would be a sin, but my brain itself would not be. Both my hands and brain are just as capable of doing loving things.

But, since this is still a common belief, let's explore the primary reason that some Christians cite for believing being LGBT is a sin: the belief that the Bible condemns being LGBT.

Sodom

The story of Sodom and it's destruction in Genesis 18-19 is the oldest and most famous biblical account used to condemn homosexuality. In fact, it's where the word sodomy comes from. The specific part referenced is when angels visit Lot and a mob attempts to gang rape what they think are invading strangers.

While this may seem odd today, rape of outsiders and enemies was actually a common practice in ancient times. Conquering soldiers would often rape the men of the conquered villages, sometimes to humiliate them and sometimes with sticks covered in spikes to torture them. Being a receptive participant in anal sex has long been seen in patriarchal cultures as "feminine" and therefore "weak". The rapists were of course heterosexual.

This is also illustrated in the later passages that mention Sodom, repeatedly referring to its inhabitants as inhospitable to strangers. Although many reasons are given for its destruction, including being wealthy but ignoring the poor and being unkind to widows and orphans, no passages mention homosexuality or male-male intercourse, let alone attractions or loving relationships. In fact, none mention the attempted gang rape, implying that it was merely a part of the often repeated inhospitality to strangers.

A similar event to this occurs later in Judges 19-20, however this time a female outsider is actually gang raped and, since no angels intervene this time, she is gang raped to death. Interestingly, this event is never mentioned by those who believe that Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality. Gibeah was also destroyed following the gang rape, so would it not be logical to conclude that, if attempted gang rape of angels condemns homosexuals, the gang rape of the Levite woman would condemn heterosexuals? After all, if gang rape that results in a city's destruction is the same as a person falling in love with someone of the same sex, surely it cuts both ways and condemns opposite sex couples too. Anything else would be hypocritical and downright deceitful.

Old Testiment Laws

There are over six hundred Jewish laws listed in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Of these, only two are used to condemn LGBT people. One is that men should not wear women's clothing and women should not wear men's clothing. The other is that men should not have sex with each other as they do with a woman, presumably referring to anal sex. The word translated as abomination, used to describe the act, refers elsewhere specifically to idol worship and by itself to a statue, implying that the context is ancient temple worship, as described in the immediately preceding (and almost never mentioned) verse.

While crossdressing is distinctly different than being transgender and same-sex attractions or relationships are not the same as treating a man like a woman sexually, which was considered degrading in ancient patriarchal cultures, many Christians still cite these verses to condemn people who have done none of those things.

The reason that these laws are singled out with no mention of their context is because they are next to laws that forbid wearing clothes made of more than one type of fabric, eating or touching a variety of animals, a man having sex with his wife too close to her menstruation cycle, getting a haircut, and hundreds more. Many of these may sound mild today yet were punishable by exile or even death.

It's no wonder Jesus spent much of His ministry replacing Old Tesiment laws, including eye for an eye, hating your enemy, dietary restrictions, working on the Sabbath, divorce, adultery, polygamy, and much more. Many Christians believe that, when the Bible says Jesus fulfilled the law, Christians are no longer bound to it, as described in Paul's letter to Rome.

Romans

The first chapter of Romans, which is a letter written by Paul to the church in Rome, is another popular passage used to condemn LGBT people. The section in question describes people in the temples of Rome worshiping idols in the shape of reptiles and birds. Those familiar with temple worship and sex orgies in ancient Rome may not find this surprising, but what follows is.

Each practice in the temples is described as a punishment, using language such as "for this reason" or "therefore, God gave then over". The progression starts with the first few commandments, including having other gods and making graven images, but progresses to heterosexual and homosexual sex acts and eventually murder. It is of course the brief mention of "unrestrained lust" or "all lust but no love" in these orgies, specifically for the same sex, that is used to condemn homosexuals, but more interesting still are the conclusions that many Christians draw.

In order to believe the first chapter of Romans condemns homosexuals, you must believe that homosexuality is 1) a punishment from God for worshiping idols and graven images, 2) is solely about lust and orgies, and 3) results in every sin imaginable, including murder. So, it should not be surprising that some Christians conclude that people turn gay when they abandon God, do not feel genuine love, and that they are murderers, possibly by spreading sexually transmitted diseases.

However, people are born LGBT, homosexual included. Direct observation, witness testimonies and scientific data all confirm this. They are capable of the same range of feelings as anyone else, including both love and lust. Although they are more likely to be murdered than be a murderer.

If someone is going to condemn a whole group of people because the Bible says lust without love is wrong, surely all heterosexuals should be condemned, since the Bible condemns opposite-sex lust without love as well.

Adam and Eve

Some people argue that the existence of Adam and Eve somehow invalidates the existence of people who are not called to be heterosexual and procreate. However, Adam and Eve's children intermarried, Abraham married his sister and another woman, Jacob his two cousins at the same time, etc, but does that mean that the Bible says we should all practice incest and polygamy? No, of course not.

The Bible says many different things for specific situations that do not apply to other situations. For example, many may argue that the command "be fruitful and multiply" speaks against not being heterosexual, but that command is only stated twice in the Bible; when there was only Adam and Eve's family on earth and when there was only Noah's family on earth. It is never commanded again, so this can not be used as an argument for why everyone must find a mate of the opposite sex and breed.

We all have different paths in life and this can be seen clearly in statements like Paul's in 1 Corinthians, that it is better not to have sex ever. Obviously this doesn't mean no one should ever have sex, but that celibacy is a gift for some people. It's like the argument "if everyone were gay, people would stop existing". No one is arguing everyone should be LGBT, but some argue everyone should be straight cisgender and forced to breed against their will. There is no biblical evidence that we are all called to be like the first humans and in fact many verses say the opposite.

Other Verses

There are a small handful of verses that are also used to condemn LGBT people, but those passages discuss temple prostitution or child kidnapping in all but the recent anti-homosexual Bible translations. For this reason, many Christians avoid them unless they believe their modern translation represents the only version.

For example, in 1 Corinthians 6, several modern translations claim the two Greek words translated into English as "men who have sex with men" or "effeminate" are the active and passive partners in anal sex between men, but admit in the notes of those bibles that one word refers to boys kidnapped for sex and the other to a "male bedder". This can be seen clearly in 1 Timothy 1, when the word translators claim is the "passive" partner is missing and instead "kidnappers" appears next to "active" partner (literally translated pimp).

This is just one example of how a few in the church who exploited children replaced the Bible's clear condemnation of their actions with one against a convenient scapegoat. Other translators simply followed suit. So, in many bibles, modern translations simply put "homosexuals", so as to include not just men who don't have anal sex and so don't even fit into the easily discredited theory of the Greek words but also women who happen to be homosexual. They apparently believe God's Word needs to be "fixed" of it's oversights.

Interestingly enough, although the Bible clearly describes female sexual desire, sometimes graphically such as in verses like Ezekiel 23:20 or in the Song of Solomon, some modern translators translate male temple prostitutes as "homosexual" but leave female temple prostitutes alone, even when they appear in the same verse. This is because patriarchal culture has long believed that women have no sexual desires, only men. This is why, in the 1950s, when Alfred Kinsey, after receiving praise for his studies revealing the diversity of male sexuality, was nearly blocked from studying female sexuality. Women and children were considered to be sexually innocent and the men in power feared seeing their wives and girls differently.

It wasn't until recently that Christians began using Romans 1 to condemn lesbians, as the original texts describe intercourse, possibly with animals. Because of an unwillingness to see women as sexual, to this day that passage remains the only verse argued to condemn same-sex relations between women.

Because of the gay rights movement, some translations that added "homosexual" after its invention changed it to "homosexual offenders" to narrow the meaning and seem less condemning. Many modern Christians believe that people being born LGBT is like being born with a temptation to sin, but if they pretend to be straight and cisgender their entire lives, they are remaining pure.

Therefore, to maintain the belief that the Bible condemns LGBT people to a life of lies, lies about the Bible's content are necessary. Moreover, it requires not mentioning all the verses that speak positively about LGBT people, such as the epic love story of Jonathan for David and it being "greater than the love of women", the tender love of Daniel and Ashpenaz, Jesus praising the Roman centurion for his faith before healing his male partner, the familial love and commitment between Ruth and Naomi, the role of eunuchs who would today be called LGBT, and many more.

In fact, as early as the first century translation of the Hebrew Bible (the Septuagint) that Paul uses in his letters to the early churches that make up much of what became the New Testament, references to same-sex relationships, including much of David and Jonathan's, were deleted. And, since even the now quite old King James Bible deliberately added the invented word "sodomite" to replace words that have nothing to do with Sodom solely in an attempt to perpetuate the myth that Sodom was a gay city and that the Bible condemns being gay, LGBT people are often forced to study the origins of the Bible and read texts in their original language in order to find the truth, whereas anti-LGBT Christians have centuries of special made bibles altered and ready for condemnation.

Conclusion

Some Christians become angry with attempts to "twist" scripture or "insert perversion" (as if being LGBT makes someone more of a pervert) into the Bible by including LGBT people into God's plan. They argue that Satan wants churches to welcome LGBT people so that they have a chance to know Christ (as if Satan wants people to come to know Christ) and that forcing LGBT people out of churches and deliberately altering the Bible for generations is fighting Satan (despite it resulting in many LGBT people abandoning their faith, which would be Satan's real goal). 

Yet, those same Christians calmly explain away slavery and polygamy as cultural or alterations to the Bible as improvements, when all LGBT affirming Christians argue is to stop the generations of twisting scripture to condemn one group of people. And, while some anti-LGBT Christians admit that people are born LGBT, they still deny it's part of God's plan, saying it's the result of sin entering the world. However, there is no biblical evidence for this and in fact it contradicts Jesus' teaching on differences from the norm not being the result of sin but of God's love and glory (John 9).

Christians who condemn LGBT people do not necessarily claim to hate them and some admit there is no direct evidence that being LGBT is wrong, only indirect appeals to "natural law" that being straight and cisgender is "normal", but they still ask what the harm is in condemning them.

Jesus was incredibly clear that Christians must love everyone and hate no one and to treat everyone with kindness, even those who are considered "enemies". The famous teaching in the gospels to treat others as you would want to be treated rather than how you are treated is actually preceded by teaching to walk twice as far with someone than asked and give twice as much to everyone who asks, even also giving your shirt to someone who asks for your coat. A true follower of Christ would bake two wedding cakes for someone asking for one, not deny even the one. And, since Christ judges others by how they welcome strangers, they would welcome someone to use their own bathroom, not deny them from a public one.

But, not only is treating LGBT people any differently than non-LGBT people a sin, it's a grave sin. When discussing the topic of murder, Jesus teaches that someone who calls someone else worthless condemns himself and that someone who calls someone evil damns himself. The original Greek word used is the same used for the most grievous offenses. Yet many Christians condemn being LGBT as not part of God's plan, making their existence worthlessness and, more than that, call them "abominations" and "evil sinners". Thus, as Christ teaches, by the measure they judge others, they are also judged and condemned. If they sentence someone to hell and claim to speak for God, they actually sentence themselves.

Jesus regularly condemned the hypocrisy of the religious majority of His time and yet the Christian religious majority of this time regularly fail to learn from their predecessors' failings. They hold LGBT people to standards that would anger them to be held to, from gang rape equalling love to idolatry and prostitution equaling love. Christ could not have been clearer: Doing this is a great sin that condemns the person who does it.

But there is good news! No matter how anti-LGBT someone is or how much they commit blasphemy by claiming God condemns LGBT people, God is willing to forgive them if they open their hearts to God's unconditional love through Christ. It begins and ends with love because God is love, so if you love everyone unconditionally, you have God within you. If not, it's never too late to change and become a follower of Christ.

No one is perfect and many Christians have been misled and honestly don't know they are being deceived or sinning against God and His creation, so LGBT Christians should forgive them with patience and love. People can change, learn and grow, with the help of the Spirit of God within them. Many already feel the tug on their hearts but are told by their church to ignore it. Many Christians are opening their hearts and many more already had them open, so acceptance of LGBT people as equal is destined to continue.

Being LGBT is not a sin. Condmening LGBT people is a sin. But Christ forgives sin.

More on this topic:

A Non-Hypocritical Perspective: The Bible Condmens Homosexuals and Heterosexuals Equally (stamp)

Speak Truth In Love: Can Christians Be Loving and Oppose LGBT Rights? (essay)

People Are Born LGBT (stamp)

The Heterosexual Agenda: A Message To Christians About Homosexuals (essay)

Christianity Is About Love (stamp)

God Loves LGBT People And So Do Christians (essay)

Pro-LGBT Equality and Religious Freedom (stamp)

Love the Person, Forgive their Imperfections (stamp)

What Does the Bible Say About Homosexuality? (external link)
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:iconagile-eagle1994:
AGiLE-EaGLE1994 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm a Christian and I support LGBT+ rights.
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you for helping to show that Christians can welcome and support LGBT people.
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AGiLE-EaGLE1994 Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Welcome c:
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InfoAnthro Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I support what you say, even though I'm christian
They're Gay/Lesbian/Trans
So what?
It's their life.
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you!
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InfoAnthro Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
your most welcome!
I think it's that people are afraid to sin against God so they use the bible against LGBT+

but hey, that's what I think
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Sorry my first response was so short. I tend to get behind on replies and sometimes go through them fast. :) But, yes, I think it has to do with a fear of sin. Some people think it's a fear of LGBT people, but I have found that's actually rare. Still, I believe in treating everyone equally and overcoming fear with love.
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InfoAnthro Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist

It's OK, I don't usually mind with short replies!
Even if people have """Sinned""" By being Trans,Gay,etc. we still have to treat them the same. Its like being called a 'cis-woman/cis-man scum' by a Trans person.
If you don't understand, let me try to make it easier for you with dialogue.

Cis-Gender: Oh look! A Transgender! ew! Go Away/Get away from me/ You filthy sinner!

Would you like it if A Trans bullied you for being a Cis-gender? (Technically, Its the same thing above but a Trans calling you cis-gender scum instead)
No.
So stop bulling them. They're in our lives, so deal w/ it.
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, as this stamp says, I don't personally believe simply being LGBT is a sin, but obviously bullying someone is a sin. Jesus said the greatest commandments are to love God and others and spent the most time condemning people for treating others as lower than them. We're all equal. But, yes, the bullying needs to stop. It may be that people don't understand those who are different from them and so we can all help educate people so they won't think "ew" anymore.
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InfoAnthro Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The irony is that the commandment says that to treat others the same and yet he (Jesus/God) is telling us that LGBT is a sin. Isn't this confusing you think?

But what you did say is true. We should stop bulling in general, including LGBT+ people. Overall, its just not fair.
Honestly, I think it's time people accept that they're LGBT+ people and stop driving them to shitty things like suicide, cutting, etc. Its just not fair at all. People should really do their research before bulling them, because in the end the LGBT+ are more special for risking things to be who they are now. Even if you are a supporter of LGBT+ (Like me) You're somewhat special too because you think the risks are worth it.
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, technically speaking, Jesus didn't say being LGBT is a sin. Though, in the stamp's description I go into great detail about the history of how some Christians deliberately lied for centuries so that today most people believe Christ condemns LGBT people, when there isn't any real evidence and in fact what Jesus actually does is praises the LGBT people of the time, though of course the modern words didn't exist.

The real irony is that the religious leaders of the time condemned Jesus for associating with who they called "sinners" and it was Jesus who devoted so much time to condemning those religious majority for looking down on others and being hypocrites, yet the same thing continues today with some religious Christians and LGBT people. I guess it's hard for humans to learn from history, even when it's in their holy book. None if us are perfect, so I'm patient with them.

Oh, I definitely agree that being able to withstand all that bullying and come to terms with being different from what society says is "normal" makes many LGBT people strong and special. Would the one who bullies them be able to survive a day being them? It's hard to say. Many people truly don't understand what it's like to be marginalized and hated, often by your own family. Maybe if they understood, they'd change their minds and open their hearts.

I hope someday we can all grow, but I understand it's not going to magically happen tomorrow. So, while it's not much, I try with stamps like this and some other things to help people start to understand. This one's aimed at Christians, but I have this hope for all people who have looked down on others, that they will try to see things for what they are and realize that their bias and fears have clouded their thinking and that an open heart is not a weakness. An open heart is a strength.
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yehudihasidi Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2017  New Deviant Professional Digital Artist
being christian is a sin.
believing that jesus is god is a sin.
claiming to be the "spiritual israel" is the biggest sin.
rejecting the laws of the torah is a sin too.

You wicked christians have been claiming to be G-d's chosen people, when your religion was founded by a crazy and paranoid man called constantine.
Your wicked evil false idol aka Jesus (May his name be cursed and forgotten) replaced the Torah and introduced a harmful cult called "Notzrim" or Nazarenes. Many lost goyim fell on this trap.  The new testament was entirely written by some roman emperors who hated jews.
Even your own Bible says that LGBT is wicked.  Do you christians follow all the Bible or only what you want to?
meanwhile the new testament was written by a bunch of mad people, the Tanakh was written by prophets of G-d and the Torah was written by Moshe Rabenu, of Great Zekhut.
In the Tanakh we see that the prophecies about the Messiah (Jesus claimed to be the Messiah) are:
He will rebuild the temple. (The temple was already built)
He will hate idolatry and will defend the Jewish Law (Halacha). (Jesus claimed to be G-d, and that's OBVIOUSLY idolatry, and he founded a cult which had nothing of Torah or Halacha)
He will create a new world order, and there shall be eternal peace. (If Jesus was really the Messiah, why are there so many wars?)
He will be the King Of Israel, and he will be accepted by all the Jews as the Messiah, son of David. (He's not accepted by all the jews)
He will be descendant of David, and  a jew. (Jesus was son of Ishmaelites. (Arabs))
 
Do you christians have anything to question now? You deny the Torah, and now, to contradict it more, you invent this. 
>Clap
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kirbyfan2377 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I love this stamp.
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you! :aww:
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kirbyfan2377 Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Your'e welcome. I used to be a christian but I got tired of being strict. Heck I watch Child's play now because I'm not a christian. 
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, I see. Not all Christians are strict. Some would let you watch Child's Play. However, for some Christians like myself, we just don't have any desire to but have a strong desire not to watch it (or anything violent or gory). Everyone is different and so will have different interests and desires, though, at least for me, becoming Christian means having new desires.
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kirbyfan2377 Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I know. I like the Christians that are not strict. My mother doesn't want for me to watch it because she is a christian, but I do't care because I'm not!
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DarwinSoft Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm glad that this stamp exists.
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
:D
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DarwinSoft Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah
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SilverMuttt Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Um, both are, there's this whole book in the Bible saying this is wrong, but I don't hate gays. Neither did jesus. He loved them. God loves them.
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, I also believe God loves us all, no matter who we are. :) Though, can you explain what you mean when you say there's a whole book in the Bible that condemns this? Which book and which "this"?
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SilverMuttt Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There's this whole book about it.
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Um, are you trolling me? I'm not upset or anything. It just doesn't serve a purpose here.
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SilverMuttt Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Looks like someone needs to catch up on their bible reading XD

www.christianbiblereference.or…
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you for the link! It's very informative for further reading. However, if I may make a suggestion: Next time give the link up front. You said there's an entire book of the Bible on this, so naturally I asked what book and what this. There's not an entire book on condemning others, although Matthew does devote an entire chapter to it, and there's certainly not an entire book on being LGBT. But, rather than answer, you said "there's an entire book on it." :facepalm: Since that exchange turned out to be a joke, maybe making it more obvious would be better, though preferably just providing the link. It's hard to get humor sometimes when it's only in writing. =P
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Kirbymyfriend972 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm catholic and I fully support LGBT community
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torielmqlfoy Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Same
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
:)
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Supercoco142 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
At first, I thought you said "Condone" instead of "Condemn"

And I was like "SO it's ok to be LGBT, just as long as you dont support it?????"

But your argument is REALLY good!
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
You're right, it wouldn't have made much sense if I said "condone", though as odd as it may seem, I have known some Christians who do make that argument, that they aren't against LGBT people, just being LGBT, which doesn't make a lot of sense. Anyway, thank you! :D
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Supercoco142 Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know, but there ARE some crazy double-standards that homophobes say.

"It's ok to be gay for my yaoi fanfiction that I get off to, but it's NOT ok to be gay in real life!" (Yes that DID happen. I wish I can find it)

NP!

Keep up the great work!
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you! :D And, yes, I completely agree. :no:
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FriendlyHougen Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
PREACH
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
:aww:
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rababco Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I've heard arguments about homosexuality being a sin and it not being a sin. I don't know which one is true but I do know that treating people with hatred and judging them is a sin. I always thought Sodom was about attempted rape and prostitution not homosexuality. I always found the story disturbing, not because of the homosexuality but because of the attempted rape. I've never heard the story of Gibeah but I've had the story of Sodom drilled into my head since I was young, which shows the blatant homophobia that affects our society.

I always thought the relationship between David and Johnathon was more like brothers than lovers but they could've been lovers. David obviously liked women but it's possible he was what we call bisexual today. If that's the case, it's interesting that God never condemned David or made him feel guilty. However, when David lusted over the woman and sent her husband to his death, he felt so guilty that he pleaded to God for forgiveness. David loved Johnathan (whether platonically or romantically) while he lusted after the woman. I'm also pretty sure Ruth and Naomi were like mother and daughter since Naomi was Ruth's mother-in-law.

Interestingly, in the verse about a man and a woman being married, which people use to argue against homosexuality and gay marriage Jesus talks about men who are eunuchs, which used to mean men who weren't attracted to women (what we call would now call gays and asexuals). You could argue that Jesus was saying that not everyone is attracted to the opposite sex and that's okay. Funny how they often exclude that part of the scripture. Also, I think Paul was aromantic asexual because it's implied that he had no interest in relationships or sex but it was okay if other people were.
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you for taking the time to read through the description (not everyone does) and you make a lot of very good points. I think you may be interested in this: rogue-ranger.deviantart.com/ar… It's long, but far more thorough than this is.

The Bible is clear on what the sins of Sodom were in later books in the Bible, but the fact that we invented the words sodomite and sodomy based on a lie and added those words to the Bible, we should always be aware of bias. There are also historical accounts that should not be used for moral guidance. For example, after Lot offered up his daughters to be raped before fleeing Sodom, his two daughters raped him and their offspring are part of Christ's bloodline. Similarly, the woman raped to death in Gibeah was cut into pieces and mailed off to the tribes of Israel to rally them to destroy the city.

One interesting note about David and Jonathan is that the Bible says that Jonathan's soul became one with David when they met, keeps repeating how Jonathan loved David, and after Jonathan dies, David says that Jonathan's love was greater than the love of women, not that David's love for Jonathan was greater than his love of women. This may just be how it was recorded or their love may have been stronger on one side, Jonathan's. And, although it's obvious that Saul thought they were having sex, It's never stated. This, like with Ruth and Naomi, show how people of the same sex can form relationships based on love. What many anti-homosexual Christians claim is that every same-sex relationship is just about lust, but Christians should instead be showing what loving relationships look like. Sex is not for everyone, but love is, so it's between them and God if that is something for them.

Thank you for making that point about eunuchs. It's true that verse is only quoted without the verse about eunuchs. The word homosexual didn't exist and even the concept of sexual orientation would be difficult for His audience to understand, so that may have been His goal, to say not everyone is attracted to the opposite sex and some are born that way.

I was thinking the same thing about Paul, since he describes marriage as sort of a cop-out if you can't control your sex drive. But it's also possible he had attractions and fought them and that was his "thorn in the side". He may also have just found sex gross, which is perfectly understandable. It is kind of weird when you think about it. :p

Thank you again for your comment and insight! :aww:
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SkepticalCynical Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2016
A friend of mine had another friend that dumped her just because she was bisexual. How fucking awful is that?
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm sorry that had to happen to her, but some people are willing to change and become more understanding of differences and some are not. Some people are taught that bring bi is wrong and others just fear differences. There are many reasons the friend dumped her and maybe they'll change and maybe they won't. Even though it was a painful experience, she may be better off with someone else who will love her for who she is. I hope she can find a person who loves her unconditionally.
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SkepticalCynical Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2016
Agreed.
she herself said that the person want a very good friend to her anyway.
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Dragonnerd445 Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2016   General Artist
Religious people love to use the bible as an excuse to hate on/or even kill LGBT people (look towards the middle east for example) yet they conveniently ignore all the other 'laws' the bible says. (no mixed fabrics, only eat fish on Fridays, stone disobedient children, a rape victim has to marry their rapist etc) Makes no sense. They are using religion to justify their own hatred and bigotry, no other reason. 
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
That's unfortunately true of many people, who use religion as justification. My goal with this is to show those who believe in sin and that being LGBT is a sin that they can't use their religion to justify their actions and should stop to reconsider. Obviously, it can't work for everyone, but some people are open to being more loving and even changing one person's mind can effect everyone that one person would have hurt if their mind hadn't changed and that makes any effort worth it. :)
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2016
Because it would bite them in the butt.
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Dragonnerd445 Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2016   General Artist
Mmhm! 
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2016
Ironically, is that 1corithians chapter 7 speaks about not marrying unless you want to screw.
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Dragonnerd445 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2016   General Artist
Lol that doesn't surprise me. 
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natsumihanaki20 Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2016
This is an example of the false prophets Jesus talked about that would put bitter per sweet. 
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Rogue-Ranger Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
If you can, please explain how you believe LGBT people should be treated and why, as it would be helpful. If I have not properly explained the reasons I have come to believe condemning LGBT people is wrong, please point out the specifics so I can fix it. And, given that you've called gay people "filthy" and "wicked" (natsumihanaki20.deviantart.com…) and said they should be thrown in jail (comments.deviantart.com/1/3456…), I agree with you that how we define bitter and sweet is definitely different.
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natsumihanaki20 Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2016
I value honesty. I call them those things because that's what they are. The sins they do unto their body and their wickedness in heart makes them filthy. The horrible sins they commit makes them wicked as committing murder makes a murderer wicked, and a man having sex with his daughter makes him wicked. Though, none of these terms refer to repented sinners. Man who repent of their homosexuality are cleansed through Christ, thus; stopping being filthy and wicked. I believe we should always be honest, and they people what they are. If someone is ugly tell them so, and if someone is wicked because of their sins tell them so. I believe we should persistently warn homosexuals that what they do is wrong, and; they will burn in the lake of fire shall they continue committing their sins without repentance. I believe Christians should never accept or love homosexuals, instead; we should accept and love the individuals. By loving them, we should adhere to God's definition rather than our own which is caring for someone deeply enough to try ones' best to snatch them from the crooked path, and set them right. There's no love in letting a man ruin his life through sin. I believe homosexuals should be thrown in jail as should all harmful people who do awful things. I don't believe they should be killed, though; I could care less if that were the case for they are just reaping what they sow. The greater good requires sacrifices, and homosexuals are among those who should be punished due to the greater good of civilization. They should be sent to jail or to mental hospitals till they are fixed. Yes, our definitions of bitter and sweet differ. However, God's definition of bitter and sweet is the truthful one, and is the one I preach.
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Courtayne Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2016   General Artist
Yes homosexuality is a sin. The Bible teaches "Don't condemn but don't condone."

KJV 1 Corinthians 6:

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, ***NOR EFFEMINATE***, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

"Effeminate" meaning in Strong's Exhaustive Concordance:
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number: 3120Browse LexiconOriginal WordWord Originmalakovßof uncertain affinityTransliterated WordTDNT EntryMalakosNonePhonetic SpellingParts of Speechmal-ak-os' AdjectiveDefinition
  1. soft, soft to the touch
  2. metaph. in a bad sense
    1. effeminate
      1. of a catamite
      2. of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man
      3. of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness
      4. of a male prostitute

In dictionary:

ef·fem·i·nate
əˈfemənət/
adjective
adjective: effeminate
  1. (of a man) having or showing characteristics regarded as typical of a woman; unmanly.
AMPLIFIED VERSION
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit orhave any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived;[d]neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, ***nor effeminate [by perversion], nor [e]those who participate in homosexuality,*** 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers [whose words are used as weapons to abuse, insult, humiliate, intimidate, or slander], nor swindlers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you [before you believed]. But you were washed [by the atoning sacrifice of Christ], you were sanctified [set apart for God, and made holy], you were justified [declared free of guilt] in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the [Holy] Spirit of our God [the source of the believer’s new life and changed behavior].


Condemning would be like, "you horrible bla blah!!!" or even, "you're going to hell!!!!!!!" but you can certainly disagree, instruct something contrary to, etc. without condemning and that is what the Bible does and what it teaches us to do.
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